It Still Really Irks Me Every Time Someone Disparages A Classic Car's Performance By Comparing It To A Shitty New Car

"Jonee" (Jonee) 04/27/2016 at 15:04 • Filed to: None

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Is it wrong that I get so bothered by comments like this? It’s in response to someone else stating that a good Ferrari 308 driver starts around $50K.

All that to drive a car that “Magnum P.I. drove”, yet still isn’t really quicker than the Chrysler 200 I daily...

What an incredible revelation you just made. Let’s destroy all the vintage Ferraris and drive Chrysler 200's to Cars & Coffee. Old cars are old. That’s the point. That’s what makes them fun. New cars are new. That’s what makes them good daily drivers. You’re not buying a 35 year old Ferrari because you’re under some delusion that it’s a better performance car than anything on the market today. You’re buying it because it’s beautiful, and interesting, and offers something unique. It’s a way to time travel back to an era where flowered shirts and really short shorts were sexy on a man. When the amount of hair on your upper lip was directly proportional to your virulence. And, yes, it’s going to break down more than a new car. But, again, that’s not the point. Old things break. Fixing it is part of the fun. I love working on my old cars. I don’t plan on driving them every day, so it it’s no big deal when they’re not running. So, don’t try and tell me your new shitbox is better than an old Ferrari. It isn’t.

Speaking of short shorts, when did the male thigh become so taboo? Women can get away with a butt cheek peek, but everything above the knee on a dude is apparently obscene. Unleash those sexy stems, gents.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:11

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My theory is: The shorter the shorts, the manlier the man.

Niko's Work Account > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:11

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Same

Bytemite > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/27/2016 at 15:14

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The longer the socks, the longer the man.

lone_liberal > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:14

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I argued that exact point with somebody on the FP a few weeks ago. Of course there has been progress in the past 30, 40 or 50 years, that’s not the point of driving an old car. They don’t see that comparing old to new they are doing the same thing that non-enthusiasts are doing when they say that a 4 cylinder Camry can do the speed limit just as well as an Aventador.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Bytemite 04/27/2016 at 15:15

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Short shorts and knee socks. That’s a sure fire way to get the ladies.

Wallaby > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/27/2016 at 15:17

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Case in point: Rugby

BarryDanger > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:19

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Sky’s out, thighs out I always say. Chubbies is taking it mainstream too.

Bytemite > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/27/2016 at 15:20

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It has yet to work for me. But I’ll keep trying!

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Bytemite 04/27/2016 at 15:21

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Anything I say should be taken with a grain of salt. I’ve never really done the whole relationship thing.

d15b > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:22

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I like older cars for that mechanical,tactile feeling it gives.

Older Hondas from the 90s are disappearing, it’s nice to drive my del Sol with the top down and get the Porsche experience. :)

Dru > BarryDanger 04/27/2016 at 15:22

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Those shorts get any shorter and its going to be a more than just thighs out. Gnomesaying?

jariten1781 > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:24

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Why go to a live show when you can listen to a well recorded version of the song?

Same answer: It's in the experience.

Bytemite > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/27/2016 at 15:25

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Too late.

Jonee > d15b 04/27/2016 at 15:26

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Totally. And the smells they make. And all the little squeaks and moans. Driving an old car is like having sex.

Eberle-Hills-Cop > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:26

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Well, that person ended a sentence in an ellipsis. So they’re clearly an unhinged sociopath.

d15b > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:27

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No electronics!

Danger > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/27/2016 at 15:28

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Lemmy Agrees:

Pickup_man > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/27/2016 at 15:28

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I was part of a quite manly group of guys in college then. We all made some Jorts so short that our boxers were a good couple inches longer than the shorts. We then went jetskiing/tubing in said shorts, in April...in South Dakota.

TheRealBicycleBuck > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:29

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I think there were too many cases of a man’s junk becoming exposed or just plain falling out. I know I stopped wearing short-shorts when a girl caught a glimpse and made a comment about putting things back where they belong. :/

Sweet Trav > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:34

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The main question here is whether or not the car “feels” good, or “is” good

Feelings and nostalgia can cloud feelings, but they can cloud facts and performance.

I love old cars, I think they look great and have a certain flair and soul that almost no new cars have.

However, there is some truth in saying a Toyota Camry is faster and therefore better than a Ferrari 308 around a track.

I have driven terrible cars that are fun to drive, and very technically competent cars that are boring as hell, even at 100 MPH.

Feelings are subjective, facts aren’t.

Jonee > TheRealBicycleBuck 04/27/2016 at 15:40

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Eh, a little scrote never hurt anybody.

yamahog > Eberle-Hills-Cop 04/27/2016 at 15:41

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What do you mean...

yamahog > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/27/2016 at 15:43

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I’ve long been a proponent of comfy leggings for all, might as well have uncomfortable short shorts for all too!

duurtlang > Sweet Trav 04/27/2016 at 15:45

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That’s the whole point, isn’t it? If us car folk only cared about objective facts about cars we’d all be driving Yarii, Corollas or minivans of no more than 20 years of age. It’s because we care about more than cold facts that we drive something else. Because we like how it makes us feel .

Jonee > Sweet Trav 04/27/2016 at 15:46

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But, nobody’s doubting the fact that the new Camry is faster. That’s not the point. The point is the feeling that you mention. “Good” vs. “bad” is not just numbers, it’s the experience. And, besides, you can’t compare what was a good car in the past with what is a good car today. Just like you can’t compare Lebron James to the best basketball player of the 1950's.

Birddog > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:49

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This happens in NPOCP all the time.

“That 1979 Scout II is neat but for that money I can buy a 2009 Suburban and have a 3rd row.”

I don’t think they really realize how idiotic they appear until about 700 people just light them up for it.

Real men do not wear shorts, ankle socks or flip flops! It’s a rule.

Sweet Trav > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 15:58

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You can certainly compare cars old and new to each other IF performance is the criteria you are using to make the judgement . Comparing a classic car only to its contemporaries makes as much sense as comparing an Apple IIe only to a Commodore 64 when you’re looking for the best computer to view Youtube on.

Run the different cars, on the same tires, with the same driver on the same course. - Faster car wins.

However if you look at the OP’s original statement, they specifically ground their argument to performance.

They aren’t saying my Chrysler 200 is cooler than Ferrari, they are saying it is faster, which I believe is a factual statement.

And I agree with the OP, in factory form it is a horrendously boring car, regardless of “feeling” when you get your doors blown off by a Ford Flex... What’s the point in owning a Ferrari.

Which is why i like the retromod movement so much, you take an old car gut the things that made it bad (in this case an anemic engine) and replace it with a modern engine, upgrade the suspension and make a fun to drive car out of something that still has a soul.

Jonee > Birddog 04/27/2016 at 16:20

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I agree about flip flops and ankle socks, but sometimes it's too damn hot for long pants.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Pickup_man 04/27/2016 at 16:21

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That sounds like fun

JCAlan > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 16:25

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I only bring up the argument that new cars are better performing in response to someone telling me how the 60s muscle cars were the fastest ever produced and they sure don’t make em like that anymore. They were the fastest IN THEIR TIME, not currently.

Pickup_man > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 04/27/2016 at 16:27

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It was, it was quite cold though. No more than a week before we went out the lake was still half covered with ice.

wkiernan > Birddog 04/27/2016 at 16:42

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Real men wear whatever they want!

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 16:44

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“A new Camry will spank a 308 to 60 mph.”

I suppose that’s why 308s are worth less than a new Camry now.

Oh wait...

wantafuncar > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 17:02

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The comparison isn’t apt anyway. I submit a correct comparison to his 200 would be a K car, or a camry to a camry, etc. I mean I get that isn’t the point, but it is still apples to oranges. The real comparison would be the difference in performance between the Ferrari and the K car versus the difference in the 200 and the modern Ferrari (or Viper to keep brands the same).

I agree with your post generally... just wanted to add that.

And +1 for Magnum PI....

Jonee > Sweet Trav 04/27/2016 at 17:04

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No one is arguing the numbers. His point was why would anyone pay $50,000 for a 35 year old Ferrari when a Chrysler 200 is faster. Which is a stupid point. You’re not buying a 35 year old car to compete with a new car. Just like you’re not buying an Apple IIe to look at Youtube. There is no point in making a judgement based on performance numbers. It’s irrelevant except to use those facts to point out the advancements in automotive technology. If you don’t want to get your doors blown off by a Flex, buy a newer car. The old Ferrari is a piece of history and should be experienced as one. And the 308 was not horrendously boring. It was certainly not the peak of Ferrari, or even performance cars of the day, but its purpose was to bring a little Ferrari fun to the sort of masses. My mother had a 308 GTS and it was a terrific car. Fast enough, handled quite well, made a great noise, and looked spectacular. As far as I’m concerned, restomods are for pussies. There’s as much soul in the guts of a car as in the style. And that’s where the majority of the personality is. Also, it’s not like they engineered by idiots. I like to appreciate how things were done back then. It’s fascinating and impressive.

Jonee > wantafuncar 04/27/2016 at 17:09

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Yes, I think that’s an excellent point.

Birddog > wkiernan 04/27/2016 at 17:10

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Kilts are totally acceptable!

DynamicWeight > Birddog 04/27/2016 at 17:20

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TIL I am a fake man. And your life sounds really uncomfortable.

dsigned001 - O.R.C. hunter > Birddog 04/27/2016 at 19:06

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Real man here. If you spend any time in the tropics, or really near just about any body of water that you swim in, flip flops become acceptable attire. Though if your flip flops cost more than $10 you're doing it wrong.

Sweet Trav > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 21:21

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You’re at least 4000% wrong, but I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion. Old cars suck, inevery single quantifiable category. You drive around on some bias ply tires and tell me you prefer them. Spend hours tuning a carb on a dyno, only to have barometric pressure and temperature change on race day. Better yet, give up Oppo and write via snail mail to your local car club. Be a nostalgic Luddite if you want, but quantifiable performance is important to most, regardless of how you feel.

Jonee > Sweet Trav 04/27/2016 at 21:45

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You just don’t get it. I feel sorry for you. It’s not a question of technological improvements. I understand that. Yes, new cars go faster, are more efficient, and are safer. That doesn’t make old cars bad. It’s about appreciating them for what they are. And if you can’t, you’re kind of pathetic and you’re the one in the wrong place.

Nauraushaun > Jonee 04/27/2016 at 22:56

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You’re dead on. People treat cars as appliances these days. There’s an article on here somewhere that likens it to buying an old washing machine - which explains why some people just don’t get it.

Jobjoris > Jonee 04/28/2016 at 04:53

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You’re missing the point:

yet still isn’t really quicker than the Chrysler 200 I daily

You can’t blame a guy to try and find ANY reason to daily that. It’s faster then a 308!!!

No one should question the God-like status of the 308. And, perhaps, in 40 years we’ll feel the same about that Chrysler 200.

If the celsius is above 10 degrees I wear shorts. People make fun of it all the time. I don’t care. Just need that shirt. And a Croix de Lorraine ring.

Sweet Trav > Jonee 04/28/2016 at 07:49

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The person with the Nissan NX, Le Car, and Volvo calling me “pathetic” thanks man, I needed a laugh this morning.

Old or new, you apparently wouldn’t know a good car if it ran you over.

Jonee > Sweet Trav 04/28/2016 at 13:08

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Haha. Says the Monte Carlo and SHO lover. You wouldn’t know an interesting car if you pulled it out your asshole. I also own a 1960 Fuldamobil. I’ve had almost 100 cars in my life. From a Lotus to a Karmann Ghia. I most certainly do know what a good car is. And, I know what a fun car is. You, sir, are an anti-Jalop. Why don’t you go back to Road & Track? It’s more your speed.

Sweet Trav > Jonee 04/28/2016 at 13:17

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Interesting =/= Good. There are thousands of interesting cars that are shit to drive and own.

And if you do know what makes a car good or fun you have made a conscious decision not to own cars that are either good or fun. I mean you’ve owned 100 cars and these four are the best you can do? Pathetic really.

Jonee > Sweet Trav 04/28/2016 at 14:09

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You really don’t know what you’re talking about, but you can keep going if you really want to prove how much of an ass you are. Everybody’s good is going to be different. I like interesting because life is too short to drive something boring. A credo which obviously makes no sense to you because you are a boring person. I enjoy the challenge of tinkering with the creative engineering solutions my cars have. I like cars that don’t look like other cars. I enjoy the history in an old car. I understand that owning and driving a car is much much more than seeing how fast it goes when I stomp on the gas pedal. The Fuldamobil was the first car with steering geometry with a negative scrub radius and has an engine that runs backwards for going in reverse. The Le Car has two different wheelbases to accommodate transverse torsion bars and I can drive it with the accelerator pressed to the floor. All interesting, good, and fun.

Jonee > Jobjoris 04/29/2016 at 01:27

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Very true. I’m sure that makes him makes him feel much better as it gets towed back to the dealership again.

The 308 has never been equaled. It’s been bettered, but never equaled. It might take more than 40 years for the Chrysler, I’m afraid.

Which shirt? The tank top, or that beautiful green one? I think that one needs those white pants and sockless shoes, though. White shorts might work, but definitely no socks. Are your shorts short? I feel like that would fly better in Europe than here. You guys wear Speedos for crissakes.

Jobjoris > Jonee 04/29/2016 at 05:48

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That remark about the 40 year Chrysler was a bit of sarcasm. It will NEVER happen.

I’m not a tank top guy. I’d go for that one with flowers.

Or the one Nick Nolte was wearing at that awkward day.

Spridget > Jonee 04/30/2016 at 18:44

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You aren’t going to see a Chyrsler 200 at a Concours.

Jonee > Spridget 04/30/2016 at 20:49

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ever

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/01/2016 at 02:12

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Either of those are good choices. I like how Nick’s actually says “Hawaii” on it. You know it’s a genuine Hawaiian shirt if it says so right on it. I like this one with the parrots. You’ll also notice Thomas knows you keep the top two buttons unbuttoned to show off your fur.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/01/2016 at 07:05

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Indeed, the red “parrotty” one from the leader was great as well, that’s the same one, right:

. But I’m no bright red kinda guy. My girl is into bright red but she rarely where’s shirts. If she would do so I’d definitely try to persuade her to open those two top buttons ;-)

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/03/2016 at 01:00

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Oh, yeah. That is the same shirt. That could be your way of getting into red. You could use the color.

Short shorts and no buttons all around. Casual beach wear is where it's at. That's one advantage to living in L.A. No one thinks twice about wearing summer clothes all year.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/03/2016 at 02:49

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I envy you for settling in such an epic place. Do the Armenians dress that way as well?

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/03/2016 at 03:50

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Oh yeah. And they have the body hair to do it, too.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/03/2016 at 06:13

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More Wookiees? What on earth is happening over there???

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/04/2016 at 00:23

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Haha. It’s true. There used to be this older, cranky, racist waitress at a diner around here who would always tell me this terrible joke: What do you call a bunch of Armenians in the shower? Gorillas in the mist.

My people are pretty hairy, too. Fortunately, my mother’s a shiksa, so her genes cancel it out. My dad and brother, however, look like the inspiration for shag carpeting.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/04/2016 at 03:34

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Haha, Gorillas in the mist... Terrible joke? It’s great! Not that offensive, it’s just a genetic feature made fun of. And it’s something I can really visualize. If I just knew any Armenian.

And with Shiksa you just mean non-Jewish? In that case you are not Jewish at all, right?

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/05/2016 at 17:20

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I guess it’s not the worst joke. There was another one that had something to do with the sewers being clogged with body hair and gold chains, but I don’t remember how it goes. A friend of mine is very attracted to swarthy women and he loves my town. I kind of like it too, actually, because they remind me of the Jewish girls I went to summer camp with as a kid that I always had a crush on.

Well, a shiksa goes beyond just being non-Jewish. They’re gentile women who are attracted to Jewish men. I am technically not Jewish, right, since I came from a gentile uterus. But, if I had gone to Hebrew school and gotten bar-mitzvah’d I would have been fine.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/06/2016 at 05:32

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I’m totally intrigued now by Glendale as well ;-)

A friend of mine is a Jewish girl, she always told me that her kids are Jewish and her brother’s kid is not. It’s so strange. She never mentioned the Bar-Mitzvah / school thing but we haven’t got many Hebrew schools here anyway. I think just in Amsterdam.

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/09/2016 at 02:13

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It’s a magical place, Glendale. Not much nightlife, but we have the biggest shopping mall in Los Angeles County which is saying something.

Yeah, if her brother’s wife isn’t Jewish, the kids aren’t Jewish unless they go through the process of becoming Jewish. There used to be a healthy Jewish community in Amsterdam from what I remember. I guess they’re still there.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/09/2016 at 03:23

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Guess where she was born and raised. Amsterdam alright. You still can become Jewish by just some formalities and procedures?

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/10/2016 at 02:45

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Well, anyone can convert to Judaism. Like Sammy Davis Jr. I don’t really know what the procedures are, but they’re available. I think you just have to study the Torah and then a Rabbi probably blesses you, or something.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/10/2016 at 04:10

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Oh yeah, Sammy Davis Jr.! What was that all about? Loved him in the Cannonball Run !

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/11/2016 at 00:53

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He was in a car accident which is how he lost his eye and afterwards converted to Judaism. He was good friends with Eddie Cantor who was a famous Jewish singer at the tim. Wikipedia explains it. Interesting story. He was awesome. He owned a Stutz Bearcat in the 70's.

And was a pretty snazzy dresser.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/11/2016 at 11:37

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Ah, thanks for clearing that out. Don’t know Eddie Cantor though.

He was a snazzy dresser. Just a necklace over your shirt and tie...

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/12/2016 at 15:25

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Eddie was huge in the first half of the 20th Century. He was a comedic singer. Makin’ Whoopee was one his most famous songs.

I think the necklace and medallion over your tie look needs to come back. I’m not sure what was on that necklace, but he wore it a lot.

He also would call people “cat” all the time which is another thing that should come back.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/13/2016 at 04:37

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Hahaha, that song is hilarious! Should have made quite the stir over there?

I really love those tiny silver stick for a microphone as well. Cat.

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/15/2016 at 03:52

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The moral of the song is that you should be careful when you make whoopee since it’s about a guy who wants to make whoopee so he gets married and gets his wife pregnant, but then he’s stuck washing dishes and changing diapers so he makes whoopee with someone else which gets him in trouble. A cautionary tale.

A cool cat has to use a cool mic. And smoke while he sings.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/15/2016 at 07:37

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Yeah, but it all centers around Makin’ Whoopee. And you puritan Americans don’t talk about makin’ whoopee in public, certainly not in that era. Or is giving it such a cool other name enough? You folks are really weird ;-)

Haha, that cigarette! Totally true. He really pulls a centenbak as well with his mouth!

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/16/2016 at 03:06

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Well, it was from the Roaring 20's. I’m sure it was considered pretty risqué, but the word “whoopee” is so silly, people overlooked the sex part. Totally weird. You couldn’t even say the word “pregnant” on tv in the 50's because it meant that people had sex. But, you could show a pregnant person.

Yeah, he did something weird with his mouth. That may have been related to his accident. Like he had some kind of paralysis.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/16/2016 at 16:03

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It is silly. We never used anything to cover up the explicit meaning a bit when it comes to Whoopee. We do when it comes to the number 1 or number 2.

Don’t think that mouth had anything to do with his accident...

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/17/2016 at 02:02

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No? You just say screwing when you mean screwing? We were pretty Victorian for a long time, so I guess we’ve always found it funny to make up euphemisms. It’s still ingrained in our pop culture.

Oh, yeah. Look at little Sammy. That mouth is pretty distinctive.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/17/2016 at 04:52

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Yeah, not all of ‘m sound as harsh as the other. Copulate, mate, making love don’t sound that bad and you run into all over the place. Neuken (fuck) isn’t that mainstream though.

Best eufemism I heard in my youth for the Number two was “Bah doen”, or “do yuck”.

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/18/2016 at 18:27

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“Do yuck” is hilarious. I wish I had heard that when I was a kid. My mother has always said “take a whiz” for number one which I still think is funny, but I never use it myself because it’s funnier coming from her.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/19/2016 at 02:25

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Such a descriptive name is a bit Belgian to us. No wonder as the Smurfs are Belgian of course as well. I’m a big fan of the word “kakken” when it comes to number 2. And “pissen” for 1.

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/22/2016 at 04:27

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Aren’t the Smurfs the opposite of descriptive? They have the same word for everything. I don’t understand how they developed such a complex society with that limited vocabulary. We used to say “kaka” for #2 which must have come from “kakken,” but it seems to have died out. But, we still say “piss.”

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/22/2016 at 18:19

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Yes, but their names are descriptive . Brilsmurf. Smurfin/Smurfette. Potige. Lolsmurf. (You may check that English wiki entry for that ;-) )

They probably developed such a complex society by using telepathy.

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/24/2016 at 02:44

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I like that one of them is “Other Smurf Than Others.” That’s really specific. And Smurführer? I didn’t know things got that dark in Smurf village after Papa Smurf died. I guess that’s what happens when there’s a power vacuum. You end up with a dictator. What was the name of their town?

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/24/2016 at 03:58

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We always refer to it as “het Smurfendorp” so probably just “Smurf Town” or “Smurf Village”. Smurführer was a great album, with lots of references to historical events. The reference to Hitler is in the title itself, although the translation to English ( Kingsmurf ) is awful. The Smurführer even has a berlin wall-esque construction built to prevent Smurfs from running away!

My favorite Smurf is Brilsmurf . Brainy . All the way.

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/25/2016 at 02:18

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Yeah, I guess it’s just Smurf Village. Why isn’t it Smurf Smurf, though? So, wait, Smurfürer was an album? By who?

I liked Smurfette. She was hot.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/25/2016 at 06:14

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Album, we say Strip-album to a comic-episode. Sorry about that.

Smurfette only got hot when Papa Smurf used his magic. At first she had black carrot-hair (another Dutch expression)!

I’m sure Farrah Fawcett inspired Peyo for the hairdo of the new and improved Smurfette!

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/26/2016 at 00:05

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Oh, I see. I am unfamiliar with the Smurfs adventures in fascism.

Man, he really tarted her up, as we say. She even got high heels. What the hell is “carrot hair?” We call redheads “carrot top” sometimes because of the color.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/26/2016 at 03:13

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But you did read some of the episodes? Or did you just see that movie with Neill Patrick Harris / Doogie Howser ?

There’s one episode all the Smurfs want to marry the Smurfette, even Papa Smurf. Who could blame ‘m, she is hot. Carrot Hair, or “Peen haar”, we use to say if someone has wispy, ugly hair. Some use it for the red haired as well, for obvious reasons.

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/27/2016 at 03:15

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I used to watch the show when I was a kid, yeah. I don’t think I really remember any specific episodes, though. I remember Gargamel and his cat were always screwing around with them. I never understood why the cat didn’t just commit Smurfocide on those things.

Oh, I get it. Like the top of a carrot. I don’t think we have an expression for whispy hair like that. Did any of the Smurfs end up making it with Smurfette? Are they all virgins?

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/27/2016 at 05:31

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I really love Azrael. That cat is so adorable. He not killing one could have to with what Gargamel was up to, he needed the Smurfs for some utter power-take-over-the-world thing, right? I see those episodes again as Josje is a fan of the Smurfs. Totally.

Nope. There was an episode with Don Smurfo but even that one could not make Smurfee in the end. Because Smurfette found out it was Schtroumpf Farceur (Jokey)...

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/29/2016 at 02:17

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He was a mean looking cat with that chunk taken out of his ear. Looked like he had been in some scrapes. Did Gargamel have a grand scheme? I didn’t remember that. I thought he just hated the little bastards.

That’s funny. So, I guess she would go out with Don Smurfo, but nobody else. Typical.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/29/2016 at 05:20

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Yeah, there was a scheme grande . Had to look it up: he wanted to use a Smurf as a missing ingredient for the Philosopher’s stone . But he somewhere last that cause, probably because it’s, well, a children’s series ;-)

Oh she’ll go out with any Smurf. In one episode she even fantasizes about several smurfs to marry to but every single one has a negative aspect. Papa Smurf’s advice was to wait until she met someone who’s positive aspects overshadowed his (!) negative ones. Wise man.

Jonee > Jobjoris 05/31/2016 at 00:10

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Yeah, that is pretty dark. Papa Smurf comes to his aid on more than one occasion, so they definitely toned down Garg’s menace. I feel like he’d come up with a different reason for going after them every week. For a tiny, mostly peaceful race, the Smurfs sure had a lot of enemies.

So, none of the residents of Smurf Village were good enough for her. Still typical. And, is Papa Smurf basically saying that all the Smurfs are jerks? I had no idea you were such a Smurf-nik.

Jobjoris > Jonee 05/31/2016 at 03:27

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I’ve got an almost 4 year old Smurf in the house and she watches two episode every day after diner. I’m smurfoctrinated with it.

I’m sure Papa Smurf meant to say to “just take your time Smurfette”. And you’re listening quite good to his advice, right? ;-)

Jonee > Jobjoris 06/01/2016 at 02:09

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Wow, that’s a lot of Smurf time. How long is an episode? I used to watch it on Saturday mornings. I think it was a 90 minute long show, so that was a lot of Smurfs, too.

Ah, yeah, I do live by that advice. Don’t marry the first Smurf or Smurfette that walks into your mushroom.

Jobjoris > Jonee 06/01/2016 at 04:13

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One episode is about 10 minutes, it’s not that long.

Hahaha, “that walks into your Mushroom” does sound filthy!

Jonee > Jobjoris 06/02/2016 at 00:49

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Oh, yeah. 20 minutes isn’t long. Are they the same old ones that we knew?

It’s a good euphemism. You can use it. “Hey, baby. I’m a fun guy (fungi - get it?). Can I enter your mushroom?”

Jobjoris > Jonee 06/02/2016 at 02:42

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Well, I think some new ones were made in the late ‘80's. But I knew most of the stories already. I think I had all the comics back then. And Asterix. And Michel Vaillant. And Rik Ringers. There’s no real consistency there, is it?

Jonee > Jobjoris 06/03/2016 at 02:40

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Rik Ringers and Vaillant are similar, aren’t they? They both have lots of cars. And Asterix is a little guy, and so are the Smurfs. Makes sense to me.

Jobjoris > Jonee 06/03/2016 at 05:47

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I suppose the somewhat realistic way of drawing is what’s most common between Michel Vaillant and Rik Ringers. Althoug Rik drives a Porsche it’s not nearly as automotive as Michel Vaillant is. Asterix was about Obelix as well, we can’t say he’s that little can we?

Jonee > Jobjoris 06/06/2016 at 23:17

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Still, it looks like cars feature pretty prominently in Rik’s adventures.

Obelix kind of looks like a big Smurf, though. And the stripes on his pants are Smurf colored, so...

Jobjoris > Jonee 06/07/2016 at 05:35

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I’m sure André-Paul Duchateau and Gilbert Gascard were gearheads like Jean Graton. How can they not be with the vast amount of French/German awesomeness in the stories. It’s clear Tibet (Gascard) was not a Frenchmen, otherwise Rik never would have driven a Porsche of course.

On those connections exposed between my favorite cartoons:

Jonee > Jobjoris 06/08/2016 at 01:41

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They do seem to like German cars a lot for Frenchmen.

I like this drawing of a P1800 a lot.

There’s cool cars all over these books. Did the Smurfs have a Smurfmobile? I remember having this, or something like it, but I don’t think a car ever turned up on the show.